TVR were well known (like a lot of others in the industry at the time) for being a little generous when it came to how realistic their power performance figures were in the real world.
Factory performance numbers
The table below are the factory numbers for the 4 engine variants of the Cerbera. The story it tells is that the Speed Six & 4.2 are almost the same in terms of BHP & Torque, and the 4.5, especially in Red Rose (RR) form, romps away.
But how do they really stack up?
Engine CC | Variant | Weight | Valves per cyl | BHP | Torque ft.lb | 0-60 mph | 0-100 mph | Top Speed |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
4.0 | Straight Six | 1,130 kg | 4 | 350 | 330 | 4.4 | 10.2 | 170 |
4.2 | V8 | 1,100 kg | 2 | 360 | 320 | 4.2 | 9.9 | 180 |
4.5 | V8 | 1,100 kg | 2 | 420 | 380 | 4.1 | 8.3 | 185 |
4.5RR | V8 | 1,100 kg | 2 | 440 | 402 | 3.9 | ? | 193 |
Rolling Road Sessions
Over the years, to shed some light on this, a number of organised Dyno sessions have been held.
The Dyno sessions took place in 2005, 2011 and most recently in 2019
Notes:
- The data below was compiled from the results that were shared on Pistonheads, links to the threads are above
- Unfortunately, it appears Torque figures for the 2019 session were not recorded
- Where modifications were declared, they are noted
- All 3 sessions took place at Charlies (Surrey Rolling Road)
- Surrey Rolling Road use a Dyno Dynamics machine, the same Dyno that Joolz (Kits & Classics) uses
- Joolz has stated that there is only a 1-2% difference between Charlies Dyno and his (with Charlies being the higher of the two)
- You can sort the columns by clicking the column header, and if on a desktop, holding the Shift key can sort multiple columns
- Below this table, I have made a bunch of observations & conclusions
Dyno year | 4.2 | 4.5 | Other Engine | BHP | Torque ft.lb | Mods |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
2011 | – | – | 426 | 360 | – | |
2019 | – | – | 412 | – | Short induction, full SP exhaust with linked decat, joolz remap | |
2011 | – | – | 410 | – | – | |
2011 | – | – | 406 | 365 | – | |
2019 | – | – | 393 | – | Whirlwind, Injectors, Exhaust, joolz remap | |
2011 | – | – | 393 | 350 | – | |
2005 | – | – | 392 | 364 | Joospeed’s Emerald ECU Install/Mapping and Intake Mod | |
2019 | – | – | 391 | – | 4.2/4.5 hybrid: Red Rose heads | |
2011 | – | – | 390 | – | – | |
2019 | – | – | 383 | – | no modifications | |
2011 | – | – | 381 | 330 | – | |
2011 | – | – | 378 | – | – | |
2005 | – | – | 377 | 369 | Emerald ECU | |
2005 | – | – | 377 | 332 | – | |
2005 | – | – | 375 | 365 | Emerald ECU | |
2019 | – | – | 373 | – | ported intakes , Joolz MBE Remap | |
2019 | – | – | 371 | – | 4.2/4.5 hybrid: Red Rose heads | |
2011 | – | – | 369 | – | – | |
2011 | – | – | 365 | – | – | |
2005 | – | – | 365 | 352 | Standard | |
2005 | – | – | 365 | 345 | 4.5 Red Rose | |
2011 | – | – | 365 | – | – | |
2011 | – | – | 364 | – | – | |
2005 | – | – | 360 | 320 | Emerald ECU | |
2005 | – | – | 359 | 330 | – | |
2019 | – | – | 358 | – | ACT performance ex manifolds | |
2005 | – | – | 353 | 325 | – | |
2005 | – | – | 352 | 326 | – | |
2005 | – | – | 351 | 332 | – | |
2005 | – | – | 348 | 344 | – | |
2005 | – | – | 348 | 333 | – | |
2005 | – | – | 346 | 348 | – | |
2005 | – | – | 345 | 342 | – | |
2005 | – | – | 345 | 327 | – | |
2005 | – | – | 342 | 318 | – | |
2011 | – | – | 341 | 345 | – | |
2005 | – | – | 338 | 320 | – | |
2005 | – | – | 336 | 340 | – | |
2005 | – | – | 336 | 335 | – | |
2005 | – | – | 332 | 338 | – | |
2019 | – | – | 541 | – | 4.5 Supercharger, Emerald ECU, Emerald remap | |
2019 | – | – | 478 | – | Maserati Granturismo 4.7L engine, TR6060 gearbox | |
2019 | – | – | 452 | – | 4.7 Race car | |
2019 | – | – | 433 | – | 4.7 STR8SIX built engine mapped by Power, ACT quiet exhaust with Balanced Headers | |
2019 | – | – | 393 | – | S6 4.5 Powers MBE ECU |
Observations
- 4.2 Cerberas
- BHP: 336-381 (360+ achieved with mods)
- Torque: 320-345 (based on 2 out of 3 sessions. 2019 Torque figures are not available)
- Lower numbers appear in 2005 clearly showing 4.2s were in a poor state of tune when leaving the factory (a well documented fact)
- 4.5 Cerberas
- BHP: 332-426 (390+ achieved with mods)
- Torque: 318-369 (based on 2 out of 3 sessions. 2019 Torque figures are not available)
- Again, lower numbers from the 2005 session showing a poor state of tune
- Speed Six Cerberas
- I’m reliably informed some S6s did run, but no data was published. Were the Speed Six guys gun-shy 😉 ?
- For comparison purposes, I’ve included my Dyno run that took place at Joolz in 2018
- BHP: 343
- Torque: 340
- “Other” engine
- Also shown in the table are a few entries for a 4.2 with a 4.5 head, a Supercharged 4.5, a 4.7, a 4.7 Maserati engine, a 4.7 Race Car, and a 4.5 Speed Six.
- These all produce some quite amazing numbers.
- Also shown in the table are a few entries for a 4.2 with a 4.5 head, a Supercharged 4.5, a 4.7, a 4.7 Maserati engine, a 4.7 Race Car, and a 4.5 Speed Six.
- Horsepower vs Torque
- It’s always a hot topic debating which is really the most important, so I won’t go there. But needless to say, it’s interesting to note that while some of the heavily modified Cerberas (particularly the 4.5s) get into the 400+ BHP, the Torque remains comparable with the other engines variants.
Conclusion
- Were the factory numbers accurate? No way.
- Can you get close to the factory numbers? The Speed Six and 4.2 can, yes. The 4.5 almost, and the 4.5 Red Rose is a long way off.
- A buddy of mine had his 4.5RR Dyno’d at Joolz and only saw 398 BHP, that’s a long way off from the 440 factory number
- Which is most tunable?
- If we’re only talking aftermarket ECU, induction & mapping, (which will run into the low to mid £x,xxx) all engine variants can benefit from a 10%+ increase
- If we’re talking increasing CC capacity or strapping a blower to it, (which will run into £10k+) then the world is your oyster as can be seen by the 4.7s and 4.5 Speed Six
- How does this compare to other TVRs?
- for comparison, a standard Sagaris is around 353 BHP / 300 ft.lb torque, a T350 around 345 BHP
Thank you for posting to this blog! I am 18 and love the Cerbera, my dad had a 4.5 when I was very young and I want to get one, one day. This website is perfect, I’m really OCD about the little things too and I want to do 90% of the stuff you’ve detailed over the last 7 years. I hope to one day end up with a 5.0 converted AJP, perfectly sorted. Great car, man!
Thanks! And nice to hear from a Gen Z who has an interest in cars beyond Tesla/EVs. Kudos to you.
Haha I agree! It’s rare to find people my age who are interested in driving. Some are interested in cars or BHP numbers, but I have an MX-5 currently as my first car and I find great enjoyment in just going out for a drive. I might try and find a cheaper Chimaera next when insurance prices go down.
Chimaera is a great entry into TVR ownership. Its quick, looks good, sounds awesome and is pretty reliable, I was all over Europe many times without a hitch.
If you get the 400 youll be wanting more power after a while, though you can plant the pedal almost everywhere and not get in big trouble like you can with the 500!
My 400 with upgraded and properly set ut geometry and Toyo888 was faster than lotus elise and even exiges on the track
Agreed, and the Rover V8 while somewhat agricultural is easy to work on yourself
Great site this.
I owned a 4.2 and then one of the first 4.5’s finished in Dodge Viper blue back in 1998 – 2000 before life and kids got in the way, and I have been forever skint ever since!!!
Loved both of them but I always felt the 4.5 in particular was no where near as powerful as they claimed but a great car. I used to track it a lot with a mate who owned a Viper GTS and we did a few trips to Le Mans as well. To be fair I never had any issues with eithe of them.
One of the kids has now basically flown the nest, and after I get the youngest driving later this year she can take over the Fiesta and I need a mid life crisis car.
I am seriously considering another one of these and reading this site only makes me lust after one even more…… 😂 😂
Lucky you Tony, I can’t imagine what it must have been like owning these new back in the day.
Life’s too short- you need to get back in one again 🙂
Excellent data download . I’ve driven a fair few TVR over the years and really felt the AJP stood well above the rest – the Rover just nice noise. The speed six like a temperamental teenager trying to hard
My own 4.2 is so docile and yet a flamethrower if u wish –
Never let me down, 2 kids in the back wife asleep and 300km/h down the road
Just bliss –